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[personal profile] brainwane
I disagree with this post about the dangers of Wikimedia/Wikipedia, but am glad I read it, if only to remind myself that yes, I can stand reading unfair attacks on my organization and on me.[0]

"So in what follows I describe Wikipedia as a problematic monopoly. I don't ignore its positive sides, but they don't play any role in this text."

Then there's really no point in critiquing it, is there? The point of such a rant is not to be fair or to point a way forward, but to present a bunch of assertions without having to back them up.

I'll argue about this if people want to hear my thoughts on some particular point.

[0] I say "and on me" in that the author argues that, since unpaid volunteers make Wikimedia's content and maintain its community processes, it is wrong to pay Foundation and Chapter workers: it is "the payment to some 100 people that makes the unpaid work of every other contributor so shameful [sic] abusive".

Date: 2011-08-20 08:44 pm (UTC)
rhivolution: Beverly Crusher in the captain's chair. Text reads 'Status report: no fucks left to give.' (all the fucks I do not give: Beverly Cru)
From: [personal profile] rhivolution
That logic is so messed up. I mean...by that, anyone who consensually volunteers for a project run by paid workers is being exploited.

Date: 2011-08-21 01:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chevdelachar
That is a profoundly, profoundly stupid article. "Wikipedia is like a cult because cults aren't able to ever completely achieve their aims!" "Wikipedia exploits its unpaid volunteer workers because it pays other people for unrelated work!" "Wikipedia drove traditional print encyclopedias out of work and also it's chauvinist because most developing nations don't have internet access!" Just like... What?! Come on!

Date: 2011-08-21 04:15 am (UTC)
missmediajunkie: (Default)
From: [personal profile] missmediajunkie
Oh good grief. I'd love to hear more thoughts, please.

Date: 2011-08-21 05:00 am (UTC)
heyfoureyes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] heyfoureyes
I have never felt oppressed by my few conributions to wikipedia.

so much of this is utterly messed up. I can't even get started because there is so much to attack.

In short, yes, wikipedia can take the attack.

Date: 2011-08-26 12:28 pm (UTC)
heyfoureyes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] heyfoureyes
Thanks for the link!

I find all of this shared culture fascinating. Questions of copyright/ownership -- things like, if I license a Flickr photo of mine as Creative Commons, do I ever get it back? Yet I don't dwell on the topic as I should, I go to work and code until my brain is worn down to a nub.

Date: 2011-08-21 12:33 pm (UTC)
magistrate: The arc of the Earth in dark space. (Default)
From: [personal profile] magistrate
Well, we all know that Wikimedia/Wikipedia volunteers aren't given the option to quit at any time and may face deportation if they speak up about working conditi––no, wait, that's Hersheys workers. Nevermind.
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